Posts by Old Navy

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John the Baptist has no heavenly hope?

by Ireneus in

jws teach that john the baptist would not inherit kingdom of heaven.

however, there are problems with this teaching.. john’s mother elizabeth was both barren and too old to conceive.

(luke 1:7) birth of john was an act of “holy spirit.” (luke 1:15) then we find jesus saying: “among those born of women there has not risen anyone greater than john the baptist; yet whoever is least in the kingdom of heaven [“kingdom of god,” luke 7:28] is greater than he.” (mathew 11:11; luke 7:28).

Old Navy

John the Baptist has great significance as does the Lamb of God (Son of Man) and all who followed him as he showed The Way. The Son of Man was the first of the "anointed ones" as his Apostles were themselves the first who followed Him. Those who return to Heaven must first come from Heaven.

Some of the many Angels who sinned have repented. What must they do to prove themselves worthy of re-integration into the fold? Saul, who became Paul, also adds meaning to the process. The Story is truly an amazing one. The Word provides clues (hidden gems) which enable us to comprehend.

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What Do You Think of The News Media?

by minimus in

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i used to pretty much believe anything they would report.

now, though, i find myself questioning “journalists “, with the realization that much of what is said may be inaccurate or slanted..

Old Navy

The Main Stream Media in the U.S. is the Controlled Propaganda Arm of the U.S. Government Inc. The U.S. Government Inc. is a High Control Cult with many similarities to the WTBorg Cult Inc. In our present World cults are everywhere. Power and Control is the name of the game.

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Dutch

by Gorbatchov in

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why i am proud to be dutch: today the state secretary of foreign affairs had to resign because of lying about russia.. we don't accept openly liars.. g..

Old Navy

The Dutch Foreign Secretary may have lied about Putin and Russia for political expediency and to get on the American Driven Russo-phobic Bandwagon, but when things went sour he had the dignity to resign. Now, if the American politicians who are telling similar lies would follow his example, we'd have a gaping hole in our political structure. It would, however, be a good gaping hole. It ain't gonna happen though.

In the U.S. the politicians have lied about virtually everything for far too long. The American People are literally brain-dead or mush-for-brains after decades of the "same old same old." The U.S. of today exists upon a foundation of Lies and Wars.

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The book burning has started

by pale.emperor in

don't know if this is a global thing but i've just been told by a pimo member of my old congregation that a min servant has been given the task of destroying all old books/literature in the kh library prior to 1992.. could be the elders (or even one of them) on a mission to stamp out dissent as my ex-wife used the same reasoning to her elder dad that i used in my jc: rutherfords books containing failed predictions.. anyone else heared anything?.

the ms who's been given the task is a company man.

no hope of him keeping them or selling them on ebay.. they have some russell books in that library too.

Old Navy

One can only wonder to what lengths the WTBorg Cult Inc. will go to distance itself from its false past. Could this move indicate that a re-vamping of The Cult may be in the works? Putting on a new set of clothes to appear to be something different?

Not that it will make any difference of course...

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A Short Life Story - Part 4 (Finale)

by pale.emperor in

a continuation from part 3, which is here: https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/4807117397557248/short-life-story-part-3#!#4918071166763008.

my wife had settled into a routine of waking up at 6am each day, cleaning (so no chance of a lie in for me or our daughter with the vacuum cleaner going), eating very little, picking the skin off her lips while she sits there in a trance obsessing over things that are out of our control and dont matter anyway.

she never did return to work.

Old Navy

You've been incredibly candid as you've poured your heart out in your story. The depth of the indoctrination, the fears, the twisted thinking, the cult-speak; it is all so painful. It really is no wonder that the indoctrination of WTBorg Cult Inc. turns people of good will against a god who could condone such an organization and all of the man-made-rules and doctrine that it hatefully induces followers to conform to.

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The Constant Mindchatter After You Leave

by pale.emperor in

i've been out almost 2 years now and consider myself wide awake to watchtower propaganda and well on my way to recovery from the mental abuse we've all experienced.. one thing that just will not go is that i constantly think of jwism and watchtower and get myself all annoyed at their lies and blatant twisting of facts in their broadcasts and magazines.

it's so bad that it's the first thing i think of when i wake up, then i have these mental arguments in my head proving the jw teachings false and then getting annoyed because no jw will listen even if you tried to tell them.

i call this constant thinking and mental reasoning and mental arguing "mindchatter".

Old Navy

Some years ago when I attended meetings with Alcoholics Anonymous we'd close our meetings with this "prayer."

God grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.

It comes to mind nearly every day.

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Why 2017 Was the Best Year in Human History

by pseudoxristos in

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i found the following article to be a nice contrast to the jw's gloomy point of view.. why 2017 was the best year in human history.

we all know that the world is going to hell.

given the rising risk of nuclear war with north korea, the paralysis in congress, warfare in yemen and syria, atrocities in myanmar and a president who may be going cuckoo, you might think 2017 was the worst year ever.. but you’d be wrong.

Old Navy

One thing which hasn't changed is America's War Based economy. Propping up the PetroDollar to enable National Debt to grow beyond the $20 trillion where it currently rests temporarily.

The War Drums are beating as Washington's NeoCons do what they can to keep the wars going and the debt piling up as the Elite Few magnify their fortunes.

Nothing new under the sun...

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I gave up The 5th Dimension for Jehovah

by compound complex in

greetings, old timers (in particular):.

of course, we don't share all views in common.

unless i'm mistaken, however, we older, former jws were decisive about what our "bible-trained consciences" would allow -- or not.

Old Navy

All I can say is "Thank God" I missed out on that sort of high control baloney. The congregation I was heavily involved with as a newly baptized in 1958 was really quite "normal." There were about 14 of us boys and girls who were in high school. After the meetings most of us who were still in high school would gather at a "Sister's" home for an evening of partying. One of our "gang" was being raised by his Grandmother ( the aforementioned Sister) and he had a party room setup in the basement of the home with record player and space enough to dance. And, that is what we did. Including some other "intimate" behaviors. We all had "worldly" friends and there weren't any restrictions on "association" as long as we made the meetings and participated. My classmate who introduced me the the Jws himself had a "worldly" girlfriend, also a classmate, who was Presbyterian. We dated whomever we wanted, there was no requirement for "chaperones," but of course many of the talks at congregation meetings were devoted to Biblical Behaviors and the need to avoid "backsliding. We played all of the popular music at our parties and danced all of the popular dances of the day. We all watched American Bandstand and were basically just like the other "Christians" at school. Except, of course, we didn't salute the flag or join "the pledge" or dream of joining the military. My indoctrination, compared to what most here have endured, was very, very light. I reckon that is why it was so easy for me to make my escape thanks to intense family opposition to my being a witness and my beginning to realize back then that certain "teachings" were very strange.

Even then, completely breaking away from certain implanted doctrine didn't actually occur until many years later. Once I began to read The Word for myself without relying on an organization to tell me how to interpret what it said...

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The Constant Mindchatter After You Leave

by pale.emperor in

i've been out almost 2 years now and consider myself wide awake to watchtower propaganda and well on my way to recovery from the mental abuse we've all experienced.. one thing that just will not go is that i constantly think of jwism and watchtower and get myself all annoyed at their lies and blatant twisting of facts in their broadcasts and magazines.

it's so bad that it's the first thing i think of when i wake up, then i have these mental arguments in my head proving the jw teachings false and then getting annoyed because no jw will listen even if you tried to tell them.

i call this constant thinking and mental reasoning and mental arguing "mindchatter".

Old Navy

The "secret" of Letting Go:

"If you want to forget something or someone, never hate it, or never hate him/her. Everything and everyone that you hate is engraved upon your heart; if you want to let go of something, if you want to forget, you cannot hate." - C. JoyBell C.

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Calling Cofty and others regarding evolution

by dubstepped in

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so i have started down the path of trying to understand evolution, and to get the linear lies that the jws planted in my head out of it.

i bought an audiobook called "evolution: what the fossils say and why it matters" by donald prothero.

i heard it recommended on an atheist podcast that i listened to.

Old Navy

Question from What Shall i Call Myself:

When will you get around to telling us just what, in your case, was the deciding factor that swung your opinion towards a creator?

In my case it was my studies of Physics, Chemistry, Biology, Electro-Chemistry and Astronomy which enabled me to see conclusively the Beauty of Creation and all that it effortlessly accomplishes. Attention must be paid to the tiniest of details in each of the life processes, the environmental interactions and the movement and composition of the Universe. The Theory of Natural Selection as a driving force proved inadequate. The design of all things throughout Creation is masterful.

Quote from What Shall I Call Myself:

It can't be an apparent design in nature because, as you know, we do not know how a creator created us therefore we would not know what to look for even if everything was created as you assert.

Creationists and Evolutionists share a paradox: We both truthfully must admit that we do not know "How" any of it came about or changed in our very long and distant past. And it is true that many do not know "where to look" for evidence that would satisfy their curiosity. Therefore, we must look very deeply at all things. Then you are able to "see it." Unless, of course, you really do not want to.

We are free to come to our own conclusions based upon how we "see" things. Although, there may be others who are not happy with how you "see" things. You may be encouraged or pressured to conform your thinking to agree with theirs if you desire to earn a comfortable salary.

Enjoy your freedom while you are able to.